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诗歌剧场作品《随黄公望游富春山》:诗歌还是戏剧?

2017-03-20 16:34:26   

还有一个困难就是它要演出。做一个谁都看不懂的东西绝对不是我的追求,因为我在一开始想要做这件事情的时候一个很重要的原因,就是想去实验现在的年轻人去接触诗歌的时候,除了通过阅读还有没有其他的方式。或者说对于一个既写诗又做戏剧的人来说,我到底能够把这两者结合起来并且推进到何种深度。如果排戏到最后变成喜欢诗歌之人的大联欢,那很没意思。这种实验的愿望会带来非常多的困难,它面临的是双重的标准和指摘。喜欢文学的人会站在文化的角度去评判,喜欢戏剧的人会站在戏剧的角度去评判,两者兼爱的人会从两个不同的出发点去批评。其实我特别不怕批评,每年我会努力去看大家的反馈,然后去想到底这么做对不对。他们有时候很多想法也会给我一些刺激。所以批评本身不可怕,这个东西本身就没有标准,我也不想为它建立一个标准,什么是好的,什么是对的。



澎湃新闻:在翟永明看过这部戏剧作品之后写的那一节时中,提到年轻人不读诗,这个你怎么看?

陈思安:不得不说,和作家做朋友非常危险,因为有的时候你随口说的一句话就会变成纸面上的东西。我每年排练的时候都要跟演员解释,诗人不是真的想讽刺你们不读诗,她只是想借助这样的入口讲述现在年轻人和诗歌的关系,或者说是想探讨我们怎么样作为一个生活在时时刻刻的现实生活的压迫当中然后给自己一个空间去思考我们现在如何面对、如何阅读当代诗。

所以这一节诗歌里面最后提出的问题其实是我们如何阅读当代诗,涉及到我们如何理解当代乱麻一捆、漆黑一团的现实。这中间也提到诗歌和艺术的关系,艺术和现实的关系。其实她的感慨并不真的在于年轻人不读诗了,她的感慨在于今时今日,不止年轻人,而是所有人,我们到底以一种什么样的心态去面对诗歌的阅读。

我其实一直没有觉得诗歌的阅读和写作是一种衰败的状态,反而最近几年可能状况会很好。你知道写诗的人有多少吗?你知道全国有多少诗歌的杂志、刊物、诗社?这个数字是非常庞大的,在其他国家是无法想象的。反倒是为什么很多人感觉我们在日常生活当中见不到诗人?为什么这些人消失了?这个是很有趣的。似乎很多人不愿意承认自己写诗。我前两天还写了一首诗,其中有一句叫“究竟是什么让人在人中认出了人来”。诗人之间是会有一种相认的感觉的,但是如果你对这个不敏感或者是没有兴趣的话我们也可以不讨论。不知道为什么现在的环境会给人这样一种压迫感,好像你非常严肃地对待写作,尤其是诗歌,严肃地像对待你自己的生命一样,就会显得极其可笑,甚至有时在诗人之间也是如此。有时我会强烈地想要反抗这种压迫感。你可以觉得我可笑,但我不会自己那样想。

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